Back & Win (Fire & Forget) Review

BWFF

BWF

Back & Win (Fire & Forget), which we'll now call BWFF for brevity is a daily backing service from the Pro Betting Club portfolio.

According to the sales page, these are "selections created from both previous racing form and personal horse racing knowledge. The BWFF selections are based on the most reliable and best rated favourites running on the day, from the UK and Ireland. These selections are so reliable, they virtually guarantee a WINNER every day."

We are told that the service has only 7 losing days since August 2015, with winners ranging from 1/4 to 7/2 with occasions of 6 winners per day reported, using a Stop at a Winner (SAW) plan aimed to make 1pt profit per day.

A subscription to BWFF is priced at £49.00, but is currently offered at half price for the first month. All payments are handled by Clickbank, offering you a 60-day no quibble money back guarantee period.

The proof of the pudding is, of course, in the eating, so Phil is going to trial this using a £10 per point stake for the next 60 betting days.

Chris Worrall

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Back & Win (Fire & Forget) - Review Results

BWFF Day 1: 01/09/17

02:10 SANDOWN LOST at 2.45
02:20 THIRSK WON at 1.97

Todays P/L +£10.00

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BWFF Day 2: 02/09/17

2:05 BEVERLEY WON at 1.93

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£20.00

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BWFF Day 3: 04/09/17

1:50 WINDSOR WON at 1.42

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£30.00

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BWFF Day 4: 05/09/17

1:50 HAMILTON LOST at 2.12
2:05 GOODWOOD WON at 1.79

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£40.00

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BWFF Day 5: 06/09/17

02:30 SOUTHWELL YOUNG DILLON LOST at 2.49
03:00 SOUTHWELL ON ALBERTS HEAD LOST at 2.19
03:10 CHEPSTOW MAJBOOR LOST at 1.80
03:40 CHEPSTOW RIGOLETTO WON at 2.45

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£50.00

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BWFF Day 6: 07/09/17

2:00 HAYDOCK FAVOURITE WON at 1.60

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£60.00

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BWFF Day 7: 08/09/17

3:25 NEWCASTLE FAVOURITE WON at 3.69

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£70.00

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BWFF Day 8: 09/09/17

2:05 KEMPTON FAVOURITE WON at 2.68

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£80.00

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BWFF Day 9: 11/09/17

2:05 PERTH FAVOURITE LOST at 2.67
2:15 NEWTON ABBOT FAVOURITE WON at 1.90

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£90.00

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BWFF Day 10: 12/09/17

2:05 WORCESTER FAVOURITE LOST at 1.42
2:35 WORCESTER FAVOURITE LOST at 3.16
3:10 LISTOWEL FAVOURITE LOST at 2.25
4.10 LISTOWEL FAVOURITE LOST at 2.14
4:25 LEICESTER FAVOURITE WON at 3.5

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£100.00

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BWFF Day 11: 13/09/17

2:20 DONCASTER FAVOURITE LOST at 2.79
2:30 UTTOXETER FAVOURITE LOST at 2.38
3:20 DONCASTER FAVOURITE LOST at 2.57
3.30 UTTOXETER FAVOURITE WON at 2.35

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£110.00

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BWFF Day 12: 14/09/17

1:10 CHEPSTOW FAVOURITE LOST at 2.28
1:30 EPSOM FAVOURITE LOST at 2.76
1:40 CHEPSTOW FAVOURITE WON at 2.32

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£120.00

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BWFF Day 13: 15/09/17

2:15 CHESTER FAVOURITE  WON at 1.33

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£130.00

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BWFF Day 14: 16/09/17

2:15 LISTOW FAVOURITE LOST at 1.5
2:35 GOWRAN PARK FAVOURITE LOST at 2.44
2:40 CHESTER FAVOURITE WON at 2.21

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£140.00

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BWFF Day 15: 18/09/17

2:00 WORCESTER FAVOURITE LOST at 2.1
3:00 WORCESTER FAVOURITE WON at 1.81

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£150.00

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BWFF Day 16: 19/09/17

1:40 CHEPSTOW FAVOURITE LOST at 2.64
2:25 GALWAY FAVOURITE LOST at 1.69
2:35 YARMOUTH FAVOURITE LOST at 2.6
4.00 REDCAR FAVOURITE WON at 2.49

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£160.00

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BWFF Day 17: 20/09/17

2:35 SANDOWN FAVOURITE LOST at 1.64
2:45 YARMOUTH FAVOURITE LOST at 2.13
3:25 BEVERLEY FAVOURITE WON at 1.84

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£170.00

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BWFF Day 18: 21/09/17

1:40 AYR FAVOURITE POSTPONED
2:00 YARMOUTH FAVOURITE WON at 1.50

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£180.00

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BWFF Day 19: 22/09/17

2:00 NEWTON ABBOT FAVOURITE WON at 1.53

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£190.00

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BWFF Day 20: 23/09/17

1:25 NEWMARKET FAVOURITE LOST at 1.68
4:10 CATTERICK FAVOURITE WON at 2.45

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£200.00

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BWFF Day 21: 25/09/17

2:25 KEMPTON FAVOURITE WON at 1.32

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£210.00

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BWFF Day 22: 26/09/17

1:50 WARWICK FAVOURITE WON at 1.66

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£220.00

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BWFF Day 23: 27/09/17

2:10 GOODWOOD FAVOURITE WON at 2.06

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£230.00

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BWFF Day 24: 28/09/17

2:10 PERTH FAVOURITE WON at 1.41

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£240.00

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BWFF Day 25: 29/09/17

2:00 WORCESTER FAVOURITE WON at 3.7

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£250.00

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BWFF Day 26: 30/09/17

01:50 NEWMARKET FAVOURITE LOST at 1.98
02:20 NEWMARKET FAVOURITE WON at 3.13

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£260.00

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BWFF Day 27: 02/10/17

1:50 NEWTON ABBOT FAVOURITE LOST at 1.71
2:10 BATH FAVOURITE LOST at 2.14
2:20 NEWTON ABBOT FAVOURITE LOST at 2.25
2.50 NEWTON ABBOT FAVOURITE LOST at 1.78
3:20 NEWTON ABBOT FAVOURITE WON at 2.5

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£270.00

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BWFF Day 28: 03/10/17

2:40 SOUTHWELL FAVOURITE LOST at 4.1
3:15 SOUTHWELL FAVOURITE LOST at  3.05
3:35 SEDGEFIELD FAVOURITE LOST at 2.71
4:10 SEDGEFIELD FAVOURITE LOST at 2.71
4:50 SOUTHWELL FAVOURITE WON at 2.29

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£280.00

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BWFF Day 29: 04/10/17

2:10 BANGOR FAVOURITE LOST at 2.52
2:20 NOTTINGHAM FAVOURITE LOST at 4.4
2:30 SALISBURY FAVOURITE LOST at 2.42
2:55 NOTTINGHAM FAVOURITE LOST at 2.74
3:15 BANGOR FAVOURITE WON at 1.34

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£290.00

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BWFF Day 30: 05/10/17

1:30 HUNTINGDON FAVOURITE LOST at 2.57
2:25 LINGFIELD FAVOURITE WON at 1.47

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£300.00

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BWFF Day 31: 06/10/17

2:10 FONTWELL FAVOURITE LOST at 2.64
2:25 HEXHAM FAVOURITE WON at 2.37

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£310.00

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BWFF Day 32: 07/10/17

1:50 ASCOT FAVOURITE LOST at 1.99
2:00 LIMERICK FAVOURITE LOST at 1.77
2:40 NEWMARKET FAVOURITE LOST at 3.53
3:00 ASCOT FAVOURITE WON at 2.09

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£320.00

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BWFF Day 33: 09/10/17

1:55 PONTEFRACT FAVOURITE LOST at 2.78
2:05 SALISBURY FAVOURITE LOST at 2.19
3:15 WINDSOR FAVOURITE WON at 2.9

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£330.00

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BWFF Day 34: 10/10/17

2:20 LEICESTER FAVOURITE WON at 1.88

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£340.00

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BWFF Day 35: 11/10/17

1:45 NOTTINGHAM FAVOURITE WON at 4.0

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£350.00

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BWFF Day 36: 12/10/17

1:50 WORCESTER FAVOURITE LOST at 2.67
2:00 AYR FAVOURITE WON at 1.81

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£360.00

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BWFF Day 37: 13/10/17

1:50 NEWMARKET FAVOURITE LOST at 
2:00 NEWTON ABBOT FAVOURITE WON at 

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£370.00

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BWFF Day 38: 14/10/17

1:50 NEWMARKET FAVOURITE WON at 2.85

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£380.00

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BWFF Day 39: 16/10/17

1:50 MUSSELBURGH FAVOURITE WON at 1.8

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£390.00

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BWFF Day 40: 17/10/17

2:00 LEICESTER FAVOURITE LOST at 2.86
2:10 WORCESTER FAVOURITE WON at

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£400.00

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BWFF Day 41: 18/10/17

1:30 NOTTINGHAM FAVOURITE WON at 1.72

Todays P/L +£10.00
Total P/L +£410.00

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BWFF Day 42: 19/10/17

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10 replies
  1. wildrover444 says:

    Hi. I see on the 12/9 there was 4 losers before a winner came. How much were you betting on the fifth race

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  2. Blokeshead says:

    With a LOT of trepidation, I could put £73 on a horse. Especially if I’d won that much in the last week on that system and was thus betting with OPM. But if it lost, the next horse would be seriously pushing the boundaries of my pain threshold, and if that one were to lose, I’d stop.

    But I assume the system is set up for this? Five losses in two years is not many, but I imagine it was five very painful days? If I knew a system was going to make me £10 a day for 30 days most months but would, 2-3 times per year, lose me £4-500 on those bad days, I think I’d bear with it. 10 months of +£300 will take 2-3 hits of £500, after all, although factor in the subscription (£600 per year) and there wouldn’t be room for much more than those 2-3 hits. And that assumes I’m not underestimating the size of the hits.

    Where is the line drawn for when you accept defeat on a day, Chris, are you allowed to say? If it’s, say, 10 horses and none win, and you stop because you’ve run out of horses to back (and, probably money too!) then I’d say this system is a disaster waiting to happen. But as long as there is a sensible cut-off point, I might well have a look at it one fine day.

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    • Blokeshead says:

      Quite why I read “seven losses” as “five losses” is something I will take up with my optician…. immediately after I’ve addressed how I got £50 per month to be £600 per year. Groan.

      Anyway, that’s a big difference. 3½ hits a year a very different to 2½ hits. I’d still consider it, but if those hits are £500, well, has the system then made money since August 2015?

      (25 months x £300) – (7 x £500 my guess at loss limit) – (2 x £300 annual subscription) = £3400. So, yes it has. But I’d need to know that £500 couldn’t be dramatically higher – in the absence of that information, well, good luck to anyone who goes with it but it’s not for me.

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        • Blokeshead says:

          Fair assessment. Actually, I’d had one too many over lunch ….. meaning I suddenly understand very well why casinos hand out free booze!

          I remain curious as to what the catch is with this system though. How big do the losses get, Chris?

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  3. Lucian says:

    Hi,
    there is something somehow strange, and I will give only one example, though they are more…. compare the 4th of October result recorded here WIN @ the 5th with the one from the Excel records you can download on their site, which says WIN at the second (!)
    While this might seem not important, for those wanting to re-think the stop loss moment it quite is….
    How come there’s this discrepancy? …

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    • Chris Worrall says:

      I think the issue on the 4th October is down to the fact that there were joint favourites in race 2. One won (which they’ve logged) and one obviously lost (which we’ve logged). I’ll contact the vendor to clarify their position on joint favourites and report back accordingly.

      I wouldn’t think there’s anything sinister going on.

      Chris

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  4. peter says:

    Hello,
    I have been going through the results provided on the site and here are my observations.
    From the start 15th Aug 2015 til 8th Oct there have been approx 790 days with 139 nobet days leaving 651 betting days.
    Take away the 7 losing days and there has been 644 wining days at 10 =6440.
    The total loss for the 7 days approx ( prices taken at sp) =1960.
    Losing days outlays : 256,157,375,276,332,295.
    Profit then =4480.
    Less subs approx 26 months @50 =1300.
    If my calculations are correct the final result + 3180 or approx 120 month with the aim to win one unit (10) per day.

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  5. peter says:

    I also meant to say that apart from the first day when there were seven selections there has been a total of six selections per day.

    Reply

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