Kempton Draw Bias

Kempton Draw Bias:

kemptondrawbiasAs the winter draws its inexorable cloak of darkness around us, dear reader, jumps racing becomes very much the flavour of the season. But, for those who hanker for long summer days – or at least short summer races – I have some highly instructive data to share that will assist in your Kempton Park sprint punting.

This content comes courtesy of David Peat (www.horseprofiles.co.uk), and is reproduced with his kind permission.

Most obviously, you’ll observe a strong bias towards high numbers over both the five and six furlong distances at Kempton:

Kempton 5f
Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 127 11 9% -45.58 28 22%
2 128 9 7% -75.25 36 28%
3 131 15 11% -59.32 36 27%
4 131 16 12% -38.14 29 22%
5 138 12 9% -83.49 41 30%
6 138 14 10% -48.64 38 28%
7 130 12 9% -53.92 32 25%
8 115 12 10% -26.17 37 32%
9 99 14 14% 14.83 39 39%
10 93 10 11% -20.62 33 35%
11 74 13 18% -7.50 34 46%
12 64 11 17% 20.25 22 34%

We can clearly notice from the above that high numbers would hold an advantage in 5f races. This is particularly true if we look at the place data, where above stall 8 we can see that the place figures are significantly better than for stalls 1 to 7.

Now let’s break this down by number of runners to see if the high stall advantage remains in place:

Kempton 5f – 1 to 7 runners

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 33 3 9% -7.50 7 21%
2 34 4 12% -13.25 12 35%
3 34 6 18% -16.45 9 26%
4 34 7 21% 5.88 10 29%
5 38 5 13% -23.95 11 29%
6 32 4 13% -17.29 10 31%
7 27 7 26% 13.58 10 37%

Even in small fields the highest stall shows a profit, with a 26% strike rate whilst the lowest stall has a measly 9% strike rate.

Kempton 5f – 1 to 9 runners

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 61 8 13% -10.08 16 26%
2 62 7 11% -21.25 23 37%
3 65 10 15% -28.57 20 31%
4 62 10 16% -11.37 16 26%
5 71 7 10% -47.62 22 31%
6 66 9 14% -31.64 21 32%
7 58 7 12% -17.42 18 31%
8 45 7 16% 7.33 19 42%
9 29 5 17% -0.50 17 59%

The bias is slightly more emphatic with a larger field, especially when looking at the place percentages. Stall 9 (the highest in this example) has an amazing 59% of horses placed in the first 3.

Kempton 5f – 1 to 11 runners

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 98 10 10% -29.58 24 24%
2 99 9 9% -46.25 32 32%
3 102 11 11% -63.32 30 29%
4 102 13 13% -27.64 23 23%
5 109 10 9% -65.99 32 29%
6 109 11 10% -40.14 32 29%
7 101 11 11% -34.92 28 28%
8 86 11 13% -3.67 29 34%
9 70 9 13% -2.67 30 43%
10 64 9 14% 2.88 25 39%
11 45 9 20% -4.25 20 44%
12 35 7 20% 10.75 13 37%

The draw bias in this category is even stronger, with the top 5 stalls showing a
minimal loss or small profits. The place percentages are significantly higher.

Now let’s take a look at whether there is any difference between handicap races and non-handicap races:

Kempton 5f – Handicaps Only

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 75 9 12% -3.83 18 24%
2 73 5 7% -46.00 22 30%
3 78 6 8% -45.25 17 22%
4 79 5 6% -50.50 13 16%
5 80 5 6% -55.67 22 28%
6 83 10 12% -6.42 25 30%
7 80 9 11% -17.42 22 28%
8 71 8 11% -8.67 20 28%
9 62 10 16% 11.83 25 40%
10 57 5 9% -19.12 20 35%
11 51 7 14% -14.00 23 45%
12 45 9 20% 31.00 16 36%

Again the top 4 stalls show a good return with a very high percentage of horses placed.

Kempton 5f – Non-Handicaps Only

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 52 2 4% -41.75 10 19%
2 55 4 7% -29.25 14 25%
3 53 9 17% -14.07 19 36%
4 52 11 21% 12.36 16 31%
5 58 7 12% -27.82 19 33%
6 55 4 7% -42.22 13 24%
7 50 3 6% -36.50 10 20%
8 44 4 9% -17.50 17 39%
9 37 4 11% 3.00 14 38%
10 36 5 14% -1.50 13 36%

The draw bias is less pronounced at this distance with none having a real high percentage win ratio.

Finally, let’s check out the lower class races:

Kempton 5f – Class 4, 5 and 6

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 108 11 10% -31.58 24 22%
2 106 9 8% -53.25 34 32%
3 113 12 11% -66.32 29 26%
4 114 12 11% -50.64 25 22%
5 119 11 9% -77.49 35 29%
6 117 10 9% -64.02 31 26%
7 111 11 10% -39.92 28 25%
8 96 10 10% -16.67 28 29%
9 82 12 15% 6.83 35 43%
10 76 8 11% -20.12 27 36%
11 60 11 18% -4.50 29 48%
12 49 11 22% 35.25 18 37%

Again the topmost quartet of stalls show a healthy return with a very high percentage of horses placed. The highest stall has an impressive SP return.

Kempton 6f races

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 317 25 8% -132.84 77 24%
2 322 26 8% -145.16 73 23%
3 338 27 8% -141.36 87 26%
4 344 44 13% -24.52 102 30%
5 334 31 9% -144.84 95 28%
6 327 24 7% -189.54 90 28%
7 319 38 12% -87.97 102 32%
8 303 45 15% 2.39 104 34%
9 276 19 7% -147.51 85 31%
10 245 25 10% -52.30 73 30%
11 210 32 15% -4.23 75 36%
12 183 28 15% 55.46 64 35%

The high draw bias that existed over 5f is replicated over the 6f trip too. In the bottom six stalls, only one stall has a strike rate over 9%. The top three stalls appear to be the place to concentrate, with the top stall showing a significant profit.

Kempton 6f – 1 to 7 runners

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 51 6 12% -25.89 17 33%
2 45 5 11% -19.62 12 27%
3 51 5 10% -26.71 10 20%
4 51 11 22% 38.33 17 33%
5 47 11 23% -13.98 17 36%
6 38 8 21% 0.17 17 45%
7 28 6 21% -7.98 13 46%

We can see that the top two stall show the smallest loss and have a much higher place strike rate.

Kempton 6f – 1 to 9 runners

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 125 9 7% -88.34 39 31%
2 118 11 9% -64.29 35 30%
3 131 15 11% -37.61 37 28%
4 132 24 18% 51.08 49 37%
5 124 18 15% -38.54 47 38%
6 120 18 15% -39.54 43 36%
7 108 19 18% 9.52 42 39%
8 90 19 21% 10.01 38 42%
9 68 2 3% -54.00 15 22%

The bias is indistinct with this size field, with the top stall performing poorly. It would seem that stalls 7 and 8 hold a slight advantage with this number of runners. There’s no real reason why this should be the case and, based on the sample size, I’d be happy to mark this down as an anomaly.

Kempton 6f – 1 to 11 runners

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 233 18 8% -120.34 61 26%
2 238 16 7% -147.41 55 23%
3 254 23 9% -86.86 70 28%
4 260 38 15% 21.41 86 33%
5 250 26 10% -106.54 77 31%
6 244 22 9% -120.04 75 31%
7 235 30 13% -62.47 79 34%
8 219 37 17% 23.51 78 36%
9 192 13 7% -104.89 58 30%
10 162 16 10% -53.80 53 33%
11 126 23 18% 19.77 45 36%
12 99 18 18% 45.96 38 38%

The bias returns with the full field races here, with the top two stalls showing a significant profit. As with 1 to 9 runners, Stall 4 also shows a profit (though this is unlikely to be statistically significant).

Kempton 6f – Handicaps Only

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 204 17 8% -57.89 48 24%
2 207 16 8% -91.42 49 24%
3 220 18 8% -87.28 59 27%
4 224 27 12% -35.79 67 30%
5 215 15 7% -109.40 58 27%
6 220 15 7% -123.24 58 26%
7 213 24 11% -50.29 66 31%
8 205 33 16% 16.01 73 36%
9 185 16 9% -67.89 56 30%
10 162 13 8% -35.75 44 27%
11 140 24 17% 20.58 53 38%
12 121 18 15% 17.21 42 35%

Again, the top two stalls are the place to focus on: handicaps at this distance showing a good SP return.

Kempton 6f – Non-Handicaps Only

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 117 8 7% -78.95 29 25%
2 119 10 8% -57.74 24 20%
3 121 9 7% -57.08 30 25%
4 124 18 15% 9.37 36 29%
5 121 16 13% -37.44 37 31%
6 111 10 9% -65.30 33 30%
7 110 15 14% -36.18 39 35%
8 100 12 12% -15.62 32 32%
9 93 4 4% -77.12 30 32%
10 85 12 14% -18.55 30 35%
11 70 8 11% -24.81 22 31%
12 62 10 16% 38.25 22 35%

Yet again, the top stall shows a profit and again the profit from stall 4 returns.

Kempton 6f – Class 4, 5 and 6

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 273 22 8% -117.84 64 23%
2 278 23 8% -130.66 62 22%
3 291 22 8% -149.46 75 26%
4 294 39 13% -24.92 93 32%
5 285 24 8% -153.34 79 28%
6 283 22 8% -156.04 82 29%
7 273 32 12% -86.47 90 33%
8 256 36 14% -23.61 83 32%
9 234 18 8% -120.89 75 32%
10 210 23 11% -26.80 66 31%
11 175 28 16% 16.24 62 35%
12 150 25 17% 74.96 54 36%

A huge profit can be gained by backing the top two stalls in low class races here over six furlongs. All other stalls show a loss.

Kempton 6f – Class 1, 2 and 3

Stall Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
1 23 2 9% -1.00 5 22%
2 23 1 4% -15.00 7 30%
3 25 3 12% 3.10 7 28%
4 27 3 11% 7.00 6 22%
5 25 4 16% 8.00 9 36%
6 25 1 4% -22.00 4 16%
7 25 5 20% 7.50 8 32%
8 22 4 18% 12.50 8 36%
9 20 1 5% -3.00 5 25%
10 15 1 7% -12.50 5 33%
11 12 2 17% -3.00 6 50%
12 12 0 0% -12.00 3 25%
13 1 0 0% -1.00 1 100%
14 1 0 0% -1.00 0 0%

Not many races to go on here and not many patterns to find.

So that’s the data analysis taken care of, but can we create a profitable system out of it? In short, yes!

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KEMPTON STALL ANALYSIS SYSTEM

Here is a system based on the above data that has shown a huge profit over the last few years:

Track: Kempton, All Weather Track
Race Class: Class 4, 5, or 6
Race Distance: Exactly 6f
Horse Weight: Between 126lbs (9-0) and 130lbs (9-4)
Placing Last Time Out: 2nd or worse
Stall: Stalls 11 and 12 only

WIN ONLY
Bets Wins WinStrike SP_PL Places PlaceStrike
131 31 23.66% 113.37 57 43.51%

EACH WAY
E/W Qualifiers Wins Placed SP Points E/W Strike
131 31 57 129.05 43.51%

BY YEAR
Period Bets Wins SP Points Strike Rate
2009 32 7 32.75 21.88%
2008 46 10 30.71 21.74%
2007 36 11 44 30.56%
2006 17 3 5.91 17.65%

STOP PRESS: This system had a 1-2 tonight with 15/2 Daddy's Gift (stall 12) beating 2/1 favourite Fathsta (stall 11)!

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Now then, you’ll recall from yesterday that I have started tracking Betfair Renegade, and will continue so to do for the next few days (and, if it shows merit, weeks).

It’s generated quite a lot of feedback, mostly negative, and I’m not surprised by that. In fact, I share your collective cynicism when it comes to products such as these, with their slick sales pitch and familiar looking empty promises.

But, just occasionally, I like to run one through its paces to either humiliate it or let it speak for itself (as opposed to the ugly sales hyperbole doing the talking).

As Paul noted in his comment, I only ever review products where you can either trial or get a refund, and this is no exception. Sold through Clickbank, that means if it doesn’t pass muster you can email them to get your cash back (they’re a sort of third party agent who hold all sales monies, and administer refunds to dissatisfied customers on request).

Anyway, today saw the first day of the trial and the results were thus:

Two qualifiers, both well beaten, including a 9/4 favourite. What is interesting to note is that the Betfair SP’s were much bigger than SP (38% and 22% respectively). This probably reflects the current user community for the product, as they all clamour to lay the same horse.

It’s a common problem, and the reason I stopped selling my own Laying System.

Bottom line: two winners for the system from two runners is a fine start. There’s a looong way to go yet though.

Tomorrow, there's potential at Wincanton 1.45 (two possibles), Leicester 2.05, 3.05 (two), Market Rasen 2.25, and Wolves 4.45 (two).

You can ‘enjoy’ the Betfair Renegade spiel here…

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In despatches, I received an email today about a system called ‘Lucky 7even’, which has to go down as the worst system ever put together. And that, as you can imagine, is a ferociously contested accolade! 😉

Apparently, ‘Lucky 7even’ involves betting horses drawn in stall seven in races between seven furlongs and ten furlongs when the horse is not British bred. That’s it… Oh. Dear.

If you bought this, I would urge you to write to refunds@clickbank.com with your payment email receipt and tell them exactly why you’re requesting a refund…

[My thanks to Wavy Davy J, for the Lucky 7even info.]

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Finally today, a fine chap called Ben Aitken has emailed me a few times about a book he’s written. It’s all about the dosage index and its application in jump racing. I had told Ben I’d give the book a mention but due to my tardiness in so doing, he went and sold out the first print run! (Well done sir.)

Anyway, he’s got a blog over at http://narrowingthefield.blogspot.com/ where he scribbles all sorts of insightful comments on jump racing, based broadly around dosage.

(In case you don’t know what dosage is, in a nutshell it examines the speed and stamina traits horses inherit from their previous four generations of lineage. There’s a full explanation of dosage here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dosage_Index)

And I believe ‘Narrowing The Field’ now has a second print run, and you can secure a copy from Amazon here. It might make a nice stocking filler for Christmas.

That’s it for today. Don’t forget to take a look at David’s excellent Horse Profiles compendium here, if you didn’t already.

Matt

25 replies
  1. john says:

    Matt what is your opinion of the bettingsystemreviews.co.uk website previously run by Iain lewington the new owners appear to be promoting lucky7even system and some of the other crap ones for a period

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Hi John

      Iain sold the site to a guy called Liam… don’t know much about him, but I can say this confidently enough: if he’s favourably promoting Lucky 7even, he’s not on our side…

      Best,
      Matt

  2. Vic Griffiths says:

    I heard Gusto King and Simon Javaheri bought this site of Iian Lewington.

    They are the ones who send emails out from 27 Rectory Road.. Manchester.

    This isnt hearsay either its on Very Good Authority.

  3. Vic Griffiths says:

    Sorry Matt i think you have been misinformed unless Liam Sherwood is part of there business.

  4. Joyce says:

    unfortunately I’ve bought the system on 18/11/09 too late

    to read your review as yet I haven’t tested it , but very

    disappointed to hear it’s got a bad review!

  5. Dave says:

    Well I bought the system too, only because as a Clickbank guaranteed system I know that the refund comes quickly and without question. I have bought many such systems recently, all have been returned. Lucky 7even really is one of the most laughable of all and if I were you Joyce I’d just claim a refund without bothering to go through the tedium of testing it.
    On a brighter side I’ve had a major turnaround of fortunes with tipster Martin Bishop who seems to have come into his own since the advent of the jumps. He tips 3, 4,or 5 horses per day, NEVER odds on, and has recently had all winners in one day TWICE. For some reason on one of those days I decided on an accumulator and am very glad I did. Not cheap, and frequently has all losing days but at the moment the man’s on fire.

  6. Sebastian says:

    Matt. Fantastic info on the Kempton draw bias and a must have. If I keep the email with this link will this page always be there? Thanks

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Hi Sebastian,

      Thanks for the compliment – it’s certainly excellent info and hats off again to David for pulling that together.

      In answer to your question, yes, this page will always be at the same web address. Alternatively, you can press Ctrl + D at the same time, which will add the page to your ‘favourites’ in your web browser.

      Matt

  7. Sebastian says:

    Cool, thanks, I change computers, I use my inbox to store stuff. You’re still up then, are you watching Total Recall AGAIN? I am

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      No Sebastian, I’m in USA at the moment. It’s approaching 8pm here… 🙂

      Matt

  8. David says:

    Hi All
    I wonder if Liam Sherwood is part of bettingsystemreviews.co.uk because about 8 weeks ago i contacted there Admin as regards Underground Punter(Liam Sherwood) asked them if any punters were having getting refunds for this package. The reason i asked them was because i was actually doing some reviews for the site, the admin replied that the info they were getting was that people could not understand it and were having trouble with refunds. Fast forward to now and low and behold Underground Punter gets 5 out of 5 Highly Recommended.
    I wrote 3 reviews they were happy with the first two and the third which was Ultimate 5 step lays they never even published maybe because i gave only 2 out of 5 and i believe this was one of theres. Lucky 7 even sounds a bit similar to Layguru which shockingly enough has prove very profitable in 2009, the problem was people just followed the rules but 1 was missing its actually in the text and makes one hell of a difference to results. Anyway it does not matter about bettingsystemreviews now i do reviews for other sites and they have no creditability so anything they say cannot be taken seriously.

    David

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Thanks for those thoughts David. I can’t substantiate or otherwise your claims, but I must admit that I have my reservations about that site. It all seems a little ‘smelly’ to me…

      Matt

  9. Andrew says:

    Scanning through their reviews, I think there’s a mix of real content and sneaky self promotion. The difficult part is figuring out which is which. For truly unbiased reviews, I find the Secret Betting Club an invaluable rsource, only it primarily reviews tipsters as opposed to systems. The reviews here are good too, although there aren’t that many of them.

  10. John says:

    Matt thanks for the reply, These guys seem to bring out a new system, “trial” it on their site for a while and when the get a few sales they then fail it!!

    They gave your laying – system a bad write up to Matt

    Also one site i do find useful as well as this one is onlineracingreview.com

  11. Pete says:

    Is there a report for Wolverhampton draw bias? Preferably before todays first race 😉

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Haha Pete. Yes, David is working on the Wolves draw document right now and it will be in the reports section of his horseprofiles website – link in the main post.

      Best,
      Matt

  12. Gordon Coles says:

    Hi Guys,
    Matt, many thanks to you and David for sharing the Kempton stalls information, it has been filed with all the other stuff I am meaning to get around to papertesting!!LOL

    Now, sorry to bang on about it yet again, but I read in the comments the dreaded name of Clickbank once again, with it being mentioned as a safeguard to have a peek at various things. I am afraid steam started coming from my ears, just before the top of my head blew off!!!
    I have been unable to use Clickbank, or paypal via Clickbank for almost a year now, since being branded a ” serial refunder”, although Clickbank have never had the decency to tell me that, they have simply said, eventually, that I will be unable to use my account any more, end of!!
    Honest to God, I have kept far more things than I have ever asked for my money back, but I also felt safe in the knowledge that because of the vast amount of crap that is offered, I could have a look, safe in the knowledge I could simply get my money back. BE WARNED!! All is not what it seems with Clickbank, they wholeheartedly support all the rogues and crooks out there who offer total crap for our consumption, but when we have the audacity to tell them so and demand a refund, we are banished to the wilderness. They have no precise policy regarding asking for refunds, just a very vague general statement which appears to gives them the right to do what the hell they like.
    I have begged, pleaded and threatened Clickbank with everything I can think of, and they dont even bothered to answer me. They have got to be the worst company in the world to deal with.
    So, be very, very careful about purchasing via Clickbank, thinking you can just get your money back if you dont like what you get, because they WILL ban you if you have too many refunds in a certain period, and it is NOT that many!!

    Sorry to vent my spleen about Clickbank once again, but they have really pi**ed me off big time, and there seems to be absolutely no recourse whatsoever.

    Best wishes,
    Gordon

  13. Bert says:

    Hi
    I’m trialing Lucky 7. Initially I thought too that it’s daft, but did some backtesting and found it was profitable in the month of June last, where it made a total of £725 on £10 level stakes on 138 win and 138 place bets on Betfair. It had 19 wins and 55 places. This is a stunning performance of course, but of course it’s just one month and I checked it manually as I’ve no way of data mining the Betfair site with excel. I’m trying to get my brother who has these skills to write something that can do this.
    If you think about it logically backing a horse in a random way should end up with a slight loss after paying commission and Betfair spread – so there may be other non random factors at work here. The Kempton draw bias could be one where in fields up to 12 trap 7 is in the right side of the draw. But the system was profitable on a range of courses in the height of the flat season.
    The only reason I can think of for the requirement of a foreign horse is that it MAY be that it at least guarantees a horse of sufficient quality believed in by owners etc.
    Since the system went live it initially over performed, but is now underperforming slightly, but still within parameters.

    Bert

  14. John Welsh says:

    High All.
    Yes I have same experience with bettingsystemreviews.co.uk
    I have five systems promoted by them. All useless but the worse by far is ‘Lucky 7even’. I have backed 17 horses in last week – four have come in each way, but the remainder have been placed between 6th and 9th!
    Contact names I have along with those above are:
    Ryan Giggs, Levent Ali, Brad Musgrove and Neil Spencer.
    Thanks for an honest site,
    John.

  15. Rick Ford says:

    Hi Matt,

    As you know. you can get all that info in minutes from the web so I don’t think David would mind you using the information because it ain’t his!

    Despite all the detailed stats on the draw, the information is a bit irrelevant as it does not reflect the profitability of the stalls. The draw bias is consistently reflected in the odds so you are not gaining any edge from the information.

    Please prove me wrong!

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Hi Rick,

      I’m afraid you are wrong. Firstly, in the last column the stall profit / loss is listed. Secondly, you can get the info from the web, but most people don’t know where to get it or don’t have the time or the tools to get it. Thirdly, the fact that numerous stalls ARE still profitable makes a mockery of your final statement. And fourthly, the system took further personal research on David’s behalf.

      So I’m afraid I don’t agree at all with what you’ve written.

      Matt

      p.s. no stats have a copyright, so nothing ever quoted by David, me, Gavin or anyone else is ‘ours’. Rather, we’ve just mined the information for other people’s ease of reference (including yours). 🙂

  16. Adam Armstrong says:

    If Lucky 7even is as bad as reported, why not use it as ma mlay system?

  17. trevado says:

    KEMPTON DRAW–Highest Draw–5-6 fur only–Class 4,5,6–RPfcst 5/2 to 15/1.

    LINGFIELD DRAW–Highest Draw–Jan to March–5,8,10 fur only–Class Grp3,1,2,3.

    MY Format for draw selection is 5,6,7 runners highest only
    8,9,10,11 runners 2highest drawn
    12 plus runners 3highest drawn
    Selections from published runners no substitutes for non runners no bet if fav odds on.

  18. ron.goodall says:

    to matt
    a pirate i use was offering the kempton bias to me a few months
    ago ive fogot the price around fifty quid mark but i did not proceed
    because i only purchase 1 tipster or system a year i am doing price wise at the momnent 1 loser today but atasty 14)1 winner today but i took early price 9)1

  19. ron.goodall says:

    TO MATT @ CO
    THANK YOU FOR OUTLINING THE KEMPTON SYSTEM I WILL PAPER
    TRAIL IT

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