Just One Way To Profit From Geegeez
I don't usually like to "blow my own trumpet" about how useful, and profitable, the features in Geegeez Gold are... ...but yesterday I received an email from a Gold subscriber that I really wanted to share with you all.
It's not intended to gloat (of course), but rather, there are some very good pointers in there about how to use this particular report...
Hey Matt,
You might remember I emailed you a few months ago with some questions about your excellent Trainer / Jockey Combo report. I'd landed a 16/1 and 14/1 winner from 3 bets in a single day and was having to pinch myself after collecting £540 from my £2 each-way doubles. I wondered at the time if this was some kind of freak result, but I'm happy to report that it certainly wasn't!
Over the last few months I've continued to follow this report religiously and it's amazing how many big winners I've had from it. My best was a 25/1 shot, but I've had dozens of double-figure winners and at times I've managed to catch two or three of them in doubles and trebles too.
I've attached some screenshots for you to look at just from the last couple of weeks. This is by no means the best period I've had, but I'd been intending to email you anyway so started taking screenshots every day to give you something to back up my claims.
Each of the screenshots shows the selections I've chosen for the day opened up in the report. I tend to look for a strike-rate of around 30% and a place strike-rate of 50%+ wherever possible and I'm rarely interested in runners that are priced at 2/1 or under. You might see days on these reports where I don't have something with a high strike-rate open - this is usually because they're a non-runner, or the meeting was abandoned, which has happened a lot lately.
Something else to note is that I rarely touch the Irish racing. That's just a personal preference and I find that I usually get enough action every day from the UK racing so just haven't bothered too much with that. It might be equally profitable, but I can't say for sure.
I've written a little ditty for you to explain what happened each day...
22 January 2016
22nd January - 3 selections - All Body And Soul was backed from 16/1 into 11/2 and won. Barton Lodge won at 7/1 and the other was second at 5/1! I picked up £600 that day from £10 e/w singles and £2 e/w doubles and trebles! If the other one had won it would have been over £2500 - sigh!
26 January 2016
26th January - 4 selections - Some of these either didn't run, or were too short for my liking, so I only backed the 4 big priced ones. Dartford Warbler was backed from 25/1 into 10/1 and finished a decent 2nd. For a while I was thinking it might actually do it, but alas it wasn't to be.
27 January 2016
27th January - 2 selections - A quiet day, but He's A Dreamer was backed from 5/2 into 2/1 and won. The other was backed from 8/1 into 6/1 and finished a close second, only beaten 3/4 length.
28 January 2016
28th January - 4 selections - Three Colours Red was backed from 14/1 into 8/1 and finished 2nd. Guapo Bay finished 3rd at 9/1 and Reilley's Minor finished 3rd at 4/1. The other I should have left alone, because the place strike-rate wasn't really high enough, but hey ho.
29 January 2016
29th January - 3 selections - Logarithm finished 3rd at 7/1, Ragner was too short for me, Glan Y Gors was backed from 3/1 into 2/1 and finished 2nd and Wicked Spice was backed from 16/1 into 9/1 and finished 3rd. A decent profit made just from doing e/w singles and an e/w double on the bigger ones that day, but a bit of luck and it could have been so much better!
31 January 2016
31st January - 4 selections - These are the kind of days you remember. Cantlow was backed from 5/2 into 11/10 and finished 2nd. Askamore Darsi won at 5/1 from 11/2. Card Game won at 8/1 from 9/1 and Firth Of The Clyde won at 4/1 too. My £2 Yankee on the four returned over £900 and then £10 singles on top, but if the shortest priced of the lot had done the business the Yankee would have paid the ridiculous sum of... drumroll please... over £4,400!!!
By the way, even my (normally just Placepot loving) wife has been bitten by the bug and on Sunday she placed a £1 yankee and a few small single bets on each of the selections...
Including the £32 she got back for the placepot, she collected £599 for an outlay of £63, so between us we lifted over £1,700 on Sunday. That will keep me in the good books for a while mate! 😉
1 February 2016
1st February - 1 selection - Just one selection to kick the month off and Wavelet drifted from 2/1 to 3/1, but could only manage 2nd place. After the results from the day before, I wasn't too upset!
3 February 2016
3rd February - 3 selections - The day was off to a flyer with Prideofthecastle winning at 8/1 and I was full of anticipation, because I actually quite fancied the other two, but two 2nd places at 4/1 and 9/2 (from 6/1) was all I could manage. Still, an 8/1 winner every day would be nice!
Of course, not every day is a winning one Matt and some days I struggle to find anything worth backing at all, but I just wanted to drop you a line to let you know how impressed I am with my subscription to Geegeez Gold and especially your Trainer / Jockey Combo report.
Just in the last couple of weeks I've paid for my subscription 10 times over!
All the best,
Andy
Pretty good, eh? I love hearing about subscribers' success, and this was a cracker of an email!
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Hi Matt
Can any of the data be transferred to an excel spread sheet for future analysis?
The other problem I have is that the Jockeys and Trainers names are not the preferred style ( ie that used by the BHB or the Racing Post) thus making it difficult to x refer them to my own data.
Will you always be keeping the Gee Gees name convention/style?
Hi Peter
Yes, we will be retaining our naming convention. Funnily enough, the raw data is licensed from Racing Post, so…
Matt
Great post from Andy and thanks for sharing Matt. I am going to have closer look tonight. As you know, I absolutely love this site and I just wish I had more time to spend looking through all the great info. In terms of the reports, I use TJ Combo, The Shortlist, Horses for Course, Trainer Change and Trainer H’Cap 1st run with set criteria where applicable.
I have to confess to a slightly scatter gun approach based on multiple patents and occasional singles but happy to report a small profit in 2016. I am sure with some fine tuning, this return could definitely be improved.
As always, keep up the good work and looking forward to the next few weeks building up to Cheltenham.
Cheers, Chris
I’m quite similar Chris. I check the Shortlist report every day and I do like Horses For Courses too, then of course TJ Combo, but I don’t like to back a dozen horses in a day because it spreads everything too thin. I’ll rarely back more than 4 actually and 3 is pretty much my optimum based on the daily stakes I’m willing to risk. 3 tenners and a fiver trixie suits me fine, where one winner covers the bets, and then sometimes I get lucky.
When it goes over 3 though, then I’m a tenner or a tenner e/w on the singles and I’m doing a £2 or £2 e/w yankee instead. I know, these aren’t even big stakes by some people’s standards, but the rewards are there for all to see even at this level. If I could cut it down to just 3 a day, every day, that’s what I would (should!) probably aim for though.
Saying that, today I’m in for 4 again on the TJ Combo report.
Wish me luck! 😉
Andy
What a brilliant email from Andy, its great to see how members are using and profiting from using geegeez, thanks for sharing.
Wow, thanks for posting that message Matt and for turning my amateur screenshots into something that actually looks really cool!
I wasn’t saying it to brag either. I’ve just been amazed at the sheer number of winners it’s thrown up over the last few months. Sunday was a cracker, but there have been other days like that too. You know the score – sometimes the winners come along like buses, and other times not.
I’m tracking some other things on the reports at the moment too and will be happy to share if I come up with anything else of interest.
Cheers,
Andy
Well done Andy! But we all know well this kind of result is not sustainable. I’ve done the same and lost it all the following month following following exactly the same procedures. Having said that, Geegeez Gold has helped me bring up my strike rate to above 20% over the time I’ve been using it.
Why is it not sustainable? I’ve been following the TJ combination at certain courses for years and I think it’s a rock-solid system. What’s happened here is that team GG’s have made it super-simple to build a shortlist of horses to get involved in each day and that’s got to be good?
First one today, Weald Of Kent, just waltzed in by seven lengths. 4/1 into 7/2 🙂
Sure the rest will get beaten now, but that’s a handy start for anyone who just began looking at this.
Matt
Ta-da! Almost like magic. But it’s a sure thing that the rest will get beat 🙂
I know Andy doesn’t do the Irish ones, but there was one in the 2.25 at Clonmel of interest.
Ruby Walsh for Willie Mullins on a 12/1 shot?
“Only” won by 2.5 lengths.
Lots of love Chris but, so,
why didn’t you back it on SOTD or your own service?
Firstly, I picked mine before I’d read about this angle.
Secondly, I didn’t fancy the horse.
Thirdly, I never backed it at all.
Chris, then why are you claiming to be “in” on a win when you had nothing to do with it? This is the ONLY problem I have with this site, there are too many claims of being in the know after the event.
Marcus,
Chris wasn’t claiming to be ‘in’ on anything. He was merely highlighting a big priced winner that some people might have backed because it appeared on a report which was in focus today.
With utmost respect, if you have a problem with this site, you have other options than to bitch about it in the comments.
Matt (having a bad day/week, and a bit thinner on patience than normal)
Where did I claim to be “in” on a win?
And would you like to elaborate further on how we claim to be in the know after the event?
Andy/Matt’s article prompted me to run the figures, I noticed there had been a winner at Clonmel, I reported the facts which is what I do.
I rarely venture an opinion and I certainly don’t make claims to have backed any winners I’ve not already discussed prior to racing.
Marcus
I think you’re missing the point by some margin here. And I think, if you reconsider your comment, you’ll probably come to the same conclusion…
Matt
I’m only looking at the 5 year form Chris and it wasn’t mentioned there. I see it now on the 1 year form though 🙂
It’s on the 5yr, Andy…
W Mullins R Walsh Clonmel 43 18 25 41.86 58.14 -0.58 -10.33 1.01 5.07
Not on mine it isn’t Chris. I’ve got Swinbank, Appleby, Moore, Ellison and Harrington and that’s it. Set to 10 races and 25% win%. Sort by % and take my selections from there. No Mullins there today though.
Your P/L settings might be different
Dear Matt and Chris, I’m sorry. I don’t have a problem with the site or either of you. The site is really good and has helped me with my betting and I subscribe to Chris’s service. I’m about to lose my job and I’m feeling a little screwed. Sorry.
Sorry to hear about your job, Marcus. Fingers crossed for you. And thanks for checking back in on this little thread.
Best,
Matt
A very interesting angle! Well done, Andy! Think I’ll have a go tomorrow. Jintshi and Desert Retreat at Chepstow, Ms Gillard at Lingfield seem to fit the bill…
I need to invest more time on here!! Looks like it pays! Good luck all, keep digging for gold, thanks for sharing, really useful, much appreciated.
Hi andy very well done and thanks for sharing makes very interesting reading do you look for a certain profit that the T+J have made when combined ? Thanks
Nope, just in the black is good enough. I’ve got it set to 0> profit, so as long as it isn’t red.
That’s it, then.
it makes a small loss at SP, but I can live with that, as it’ll make profit at Betfair SP and even more at BOG.
That makes sense actually Chris. I think I might change my criteria to “win profit=any” now too. Thanks for the advice!
just a quick comment to all the guys commenting on here, dont forget we have a geegeez forum, its very thin on numbers which is always the case in the early days, but if more members are aware of it we may just be able to get a happy thriving community on there, who can share idea’s like andys. just a thought.
Glad to read articles like this. I was a Gold member for just over 6 months but unfortunately had to downgrade to registered user at the end of January. I just couldn’t make best use of all the info and reports, and the steady one a day tip, (Which ideally to modest stakes would pay for the Gold subscription), was really struggling, so I took a break. I’ve never known such a difficult time for punters this last few months, so to see someone actually finding winners gives me hope. Once I find a way to arrest this slump, rejoining Gold is the top of my priorities.
I’m sure there’s a tiny amount of “site promotion” going on with this article in the (temporary) absence of decent results for the “headline” tips but it does highlight the resources of the site. I always check the Shortlist and TJ Combo and quite frankly simply cross refer to the write ups on Oddschecker to see if there’s any other indication (e.g. not won for 2 years – not always a bad thing but adds a note of caution) or tip to reinforce the selection. Both Shortlist horses won today at 5/1 and 3/1 (with less than concrete scores) so always good to look at.
Hi Paul,
There’s certainly some Gold promotion, as alluded to in the first paragraph!
And it’s important to remember that, for a majority of Gold subscribers, the cards, tools and reports are the “headline” content. 😉
Hope you’re keeping well.
Best,
Matt
Thanks to you all for sharing the idea and email, I found it very interesting and appreciate such a good read hope the success you have been enjoying continues .
Self appraisal is no appraisal at all.but a cute way to punt the website for gain.
That would be true, Paul, except I am not Andy and, therefore, it was not self appraisal.
One other point: as a business, I do reserve the right to occasionally promote my products and services in the future. Hope that’s ok with you, and thanks a lot for your helpful and constructive “value add” comment. 😉
Matt
P.s. I note with interest that you’re a free user who registered in 2013, and has only ever logged in twice, the last time being July 2014. With respect, that doesn’t make you especially well placed to comment on such things, does it?
Perhaps I can help you find the parts that might work best for you. Drop me a line if you’d like.
Sorry if i offended Matt but different people have different views on such topics and that was how i read into it.
Again sorry if i offended but i do read all the information you send via e/mails everyday, and they are a very good read with useful information so i don’t log in to the website,
I wasn’t offended, Paul. I was merely pointing out that, seeing as you haven’t logged in since before we started providing things like TJ Combo report free one day a week (it’s tomorrow, for what it’s worth), I felt your comment was perhaps unhelpful.
And it’s great to know that you – like thousands of others – take in the free editorial on site. I’m really proud of the team of writers we’ve put together.
I’m only able to assemble great writers with a remit to produce real ‘thought pieces’ if I can pay them. And I can only pay them if I have a premium product or service which people think is worth paying for. So, that’s why it’s important for me to remind users – especially newer site users – that these things are there, and that they’re actually pretty cool.
Thanks a lot for taking time to revert – I appreciate it.
Best,
Matt
Thanks for publishing that Matt. It’s always useful to see what other people are doing. For myself, I have developed systems I follow, as lots of us have, but even so there is always room for improvement. Surely any serious punter likes to keep a ‘weather eye’ on what else is going on, or some angle he may have missed. If there is site promotion along with a story, then so what? There is no ‘con’ going on here, forcing people to join up because of what someone else says they are doing. At the end of the day it was an interesting read and I have realised that I’m neglecting certain areas of this site which are well worth a bit more looking at. TJ Combos for instance! So thanks again. More of the same please 🙂
Thanks Lynne. You make an important point too, about how I’ve neglected that “practical application” side of things.
Will pull my socks up on that!
Matt
Well I am certainly grateful for you guys sharing the idea. I don’t class myself as a great reader of form but any logical idea like this one keeps me interested.
I would also say that Sondrio 2 has made a great point about the forum.
Anyone looking at the TJ Combo report today is going to be a bit bewildered, because on the 5 year report (with profit set to 0>) there are 10 horses where the trainer has a win S/R of around 30% (I’ve included the two with a 29.41% S/R) and a decent place S/R too.
If you sort the Win % column so that those with the best S/R are showing at the top it makes life a little bit easier and the first thing you’ll see is Mrs S Smith with 5 wins and 8 places from 10 runners. She runs 4 there today, but I took a screenshot at 7am and then on checking the odds now Red Danaher has drifted from 8/1 to 10/1 and Special Wells has drifted from 10/3 to 4/1. The other two, however, seem quite solid in the betting.
And in an effort to whittle it down from 10 possibles to just a handful, I’ve done a similar thing with all 10 – comparing the odds to see which have drifted or shortened – so all I’m left with this….
Catt 2.55 – Hainan – 5/1 into 7/2
Catt 3.25 – Just Georgie – pretty solid around the 9/2 mark
Catt 4.00 – Cloudy Joker – solid at 4/1
Chep 4.20 – Berea Boru – 11/2 into 9/2
Chep 4.50 – Alf ‘N’ Dor – solid at 7/2
Wolv 5.15 – Rich Again – solid at 4/1
Not my ideal day with so many potential bets – much prefer it when I can get it down to 2, 3 or 4 – but at the prices even one winner will go some way to covering things today and some of the place stats are to die for, so I’m going to have to get involved in some way with e/w doubles and trebles.
Of course, after me saying that, the bigger priced ones will probably win, but I felt myself that I needed to break the list down a bit for my own betting, so figured I’d post it in case it helps anyone else too!
Not too bad. Three winners at 7/2, 6/1 and 4/1 (returned 3/1). I missed out on an 8/1 winner by leaving out the bigger priced ones, but a stake of £128 across all 6 horses (the bulk of it made up of singles, £2 doubles and £1 trebles) returned £541!
Gotta love TJ Combo…. 😉
Well done Andy I followed you today so thanks
Did I read somewhere the report is free tomorrow? If so any chance of you giving us all a helping hand to interpret.
I hope Matt doesn’t mind but I am sure more success like today will lead to more taking out subscriptions
Thanks in advance(hopefully)
Yes, I believe it’s free to registered users on a Saturday Freddie.
If you choose the 5yr Course Form report in TJ Combo, set it to 10 runs, 25% win strike-rate and 0 upwards for the Win PL you’ll get the same info as me. Sort it by the Win % column to get the highest at the top.
Today there are only 3 above 30% so I’ve just done them all. 13/2, 8/1 and 14/1 so I’m more hopeful than confident, but you never know.
The 14 Day Form report might be worth following today too actually! 😉
Thanks Andy one good winner.
I actually played around with the list to expand the number of selections and came up with 7 winners out of 11 !!! Think I am going to have to subscribe.
Hi Andy
The recent results of your approach are intriguing. Be interesting to see if they are sustained.
Can you help me please. I ran the report yesterday using your exact criteria and came up with only 2 selections. The 13/2 and 14/1. Apparently there was one winner but naturally it was the one I didn’t select.
Can you help me identify what I did wrong.
Great post again Andy showing what you do to get your selections.Very helpful.
like Lynne mentioned i am the same, use certain aspects of gold but neglect many others, there is so much to geegeez that i suppose we become blinkered and use the bits that work for us and just ignore the rest, thats why its so essential that matt publishes articles like this, not just for the free users who may join up but also for us long term golders that just dont use geegeez to its full potential.
Great site and a great way of using one of the many stats available,well done Andy. Your find is exactly the kind of thing i like and its good that people on here are prepared to share.
Problem for me is i had a choice a few weeks back of gold here or formbet and stupidly i went with formbet……its rubbish and now i cant afford gold.
Good luck to you all with this though.
Well done Andy! I used this on Friday and did very well! Just one thing Andy or anyone, have struck a blank for today and tomorrow for JTC. Is this just me, or am I doing something wrong?
I’ve just emailed you.
If you send me the exact criteria you’ve selected, I’ll be able to help.
Chris
Using the settings above, I don’t have any over 30% on the 5 year TJ Combo today either Callie, but I do have some showing up for tomorrow. Make sure you’ve got it set to “race type = all” if the rest of the settings are okay.
@stephenpc – One of them was a non-runner yesterday so I only had two selections too.
@freddiethefrog – I thought we were a bit unlucky with the 14 day form report yesterday. I left out a couple of short ones, then hit a 5/1 winner and the last one was Valseur Lido in the Irish Gold Cup who was backed from 8/1 into 5/1 and absolutely cruising when it pecked at the last and chucked Ruby Walsh off. Sigh!
Nothing much today if you stick to 30%+ on TJ Combo. It wouldn’t surprise me if there was a winner or two from the three horses that are shown on the report though.
UPDATE: As Chris highlighted above, I had the Win Profit column set to 0 to Any which meant that anything that made a loss wasn’t showing up on the report. What Chris said above made perfect sense – taking early prices with a BOG bookie – because even though a certain trainer has made a loss at SP it doesn’t mean he’s made a loss at the early prices or with BOG, so they might still be worth considering, especially when the price is right and the win/place strike-rate is high.
Thanks all, I think I’ve sorted it out now. Let’s hope that I see another good day like Friday!
Morning Andy
How did you get on yesterday?
I didn’t do anything from the 5 year course form yesterday, because the Win % wasn’t great. Actually, after changing the Profit column to “any” the Mullins runners were showing up for Naas, but I’m not too fussy about the Irish racing and they all seemed short enough in the betting.
There are 3 today – two at huge prices and one that’s probably a bit more realistic. The same T/J combo are showing up on the 30 day form report too and the stats are quite impressive. I also like Chris’s SOTD pick today – it’s in the 30 day form report too.
Hi Freddie the Frog (and all members )as a golden oldie newbie I would be interested to know what settings you used in trainer /Jockey combo to throw up the 7 winners (I would appreciate any advice on the settings from any/all members to help me recover the money I’ve contributed to the bookies holiday funds
regards to all
andrew
Hi Andrew
No settings just looked at them all with high ish win and place. One or two were pushing it but they came in.
So, out of interest, what would you do with bigger priced contenders – like today. Do you back them regardless flat stakes, or maybe minimum stakes – or would you study the form and make a decision after that?
It’s a bit of a tricky one today, because in the Fakenham race at 4.20 we’re up against a Pipe hotpot which is also highlighted on the report. And the other one, the less fancied one of the two with Spencer onboard, has drifted from 16/1 to 25/1 and I really don’t like drifters much at all. So I’m just taking it easy today and not doing either. (wish me luck with that – if either wins I’ll be distraught!)
I did do the first Spencer one though – just ran and finished 4th – and I’m doing Chris’s SOTD too, because I thought it was the best bet of the day too.
Well, the betting told a story there, eh? 5/2 out to 4/1. My heart sank further and further every time it moved out a notch….. 🙂
ANY UPDATES ANYBODY/
???
Managed to find mulholland/Keniry 5-2 last night
Well, looking at it over the last few days, I decided to look for a higher % win /place strike rate and narrow things down a bit. So I changed my settings to 40% for the win, and 40% for the place (5 yrs). This gave me for today (Weds)
Blue Vision – 50/1 so could be left out
Daisy Bere – 2nd
Wings of Esteem – 1st
Princess Cookie – 1st
Of course I backed Daisy Bere to win, Left Wings of Esteem alone because there was a fav I thought more likely, and totally missed Princess Cookie – I think because my printer may have chopped the last line off !! I’ve just seen it and had to check the result. A winner at 5/1 naturally. You couldn’t make it up. Moral of the day – concentrate!!
Don’t know how the horses did on lower SRs today.
Those are exactly the same ones I noted, Lynne. Can’t bet from here in USA but glad they’re winning for people. Sorry you missed out this time.
Matt
Ps worth noting that Princess Cookie showed up very favourably on the 2 Year handicap first run report view (the one I personally mostly use on there, a post for another day following Andy’s lead!)
Yeah, I had the same three too. Three £10 singles and a £5 trixie returned £280, but if Daisy Bere hadn’t been beaten by a neck it would have been £1035!!
“Can’t bet from here in USA…”
What? Land of The Free, isn’t it?
(Hehe, Land of The Deluded if you ask me, but I guess this site shouldn’t be taken down any political roads. We’ll start discussing the pros(?) and cons of having a President Trump next!)
The only reason for me posting here was to point you in the direction of a site/tool that someone – I’m actually pretty sure it was Chris – once pointed me in the direction of: Hotspot Shield. I’ve used this in several European countries to get around geographical restrictions and can report it has never let me down. Of course, I can’t guarantee it will work in the Land of the Fast Food Mountains and Weak Beer, but giving it a try next time won’t cost you anything.
Hard luck Lynne and I thought these things only happened to me!!
This thread is very helpful as I have only just subscribed so I have £200 to win asap
Let’s hope for a good day today
If any one has any ideas/selections I look forward to reading them
Excellent day today again. I was out all day so had to do them early and there were 6 qualifiers, so I did the 3 lowest priced ones in my standard tenner singles and fiver e/w trixie. That was Overtown Express (won at 6/1), UknowwhatImeanharry (won at 7/2 from 9/2) and Bonjour Baby who drifted from 6/1 to 10/1 and finished 4th.
That simple little bet returned £317.50!
I halved the stake on the other three, because even early two of them were priced at 10/1 and 20/1, and then I did them each-way too, but nothing figured at all so that was £25 lost.
Overall profit = £242.50
I know there two yesterday and both lost, the day before was covered with a 5/1 winner and the day before that there were three and they all lost, but the day before that there were two decent winners and the third one was only beaten a neck, so it’s been a really good week again.
Remember, don’t bother with the short ones – no point – but I think when you find a day where there’s 2 or 3 at 3/1 to 8/1’sh then they’re absolutely worth doing in doubles and trebles too. E/W even when the fields are around the right size.
That fiver double I caught today paid £192.50 just for the £5 double, you know? And it’s been so close to hitting another treble lately too. It’s worth a sporting bet for sure!
A couple of observations. I am trying to record a variety of combos, although at lesser win SR than Lynne advocates. I agree about the short price, and the Irish ones do seem to come in.
I am noting 10 runners wiht 25% win SR and 50% pl SR split, 15/25/50 split, 20/25/50, 10/33/66, 15/66/66 and 20/33/66.
Eliminating NR and very short price, there would have been 3 wins from 3 qualifiers across the 3 33/66 splits, including Nvan 230. However the Mullins/Walsh was in the red for profit and loss
Of interest also is the AE and IV columns and their impact. I’m sure there were reports on this and not sure if any one here, and my general sense is that on A/E, anything over 1 is an indicator of outperform strength ,which is a generalisation. Less sure of the IV figure and what to look for in that
Just a couple of 10/25/50 qualifiers for tomorrow, excluding the shorties.
Hi kevil9,
Thanks for your comment. I wrote a few words on AE and IV a while back and, for me, yes they are absolutely important!
See this post – scroll down for the relevant bits: http://www.geegeez.co.uk/gold-reports-what-do-the-numbers-really-mean/
Best,
Matt
Please keep us updated…. I’m just keeping it simple for now…. but am definitely interested.
Ahhhhh!!! Got all those yesterday, but mostly in the wrong order apart from a small return on a Yankee…….. What exactly is a Trixie and can this be done on Betfair?
Callie
Mmmm…… I think I’ve answered my own question about the Trixie.
Andy you seem to have the knack, let’s hope that I can achieve the same good fortune!
Callie
Saved by the bell today. Straidnahanna – backed from 9/1 early into 4/1 – wins the last race.
If you’d taken a snapshot first thing and another at lunchtime today you’d probably only have been tempted into doing Straidnahanna (who was still available at 8/1 at 1pm) and Askamore Darsi, because the others had drifted badly. I didn’t, I chanced it and bet 3 from the 5 available, but I’ll settle for an 8/1 winner out of that!
Nearly put it up as Stat of the Day, too. Bottled it because the price was so high. Sigh 🙁
Matt
Luckily I backed Straidnahanna too. Patience is the name of the game……
Callie
Good to see the thread continuing
As you say Andy saved at the last minute. Pity about the rule 4!!!
Have looked at tomorrow’s bit thin on the ground perhaps the Goldie horse only
I’ve only got the two, from the same trainer, at Southwell today on the 5 year report and one of them is a non-runner, so I’ve done the other as an e/w single.
Even with the winner, you can look at the P/L and the strong AE/IV numbers as a way in, given the repost Matt did for that angle
Even though few qualifiers today, those at Southwell have decent P/L and AE/IV, as well as covering the 15+ 20 runners angle combined with 25%win 50%place stats
Hi all. a winner and a second today from the report,
14:00 ling – Skidby Mill 1st
and 16:55 Ling – Temple Road 2nd – who went off at half the price he was at last night.
just now 14:40 Chepstow Henri Parry Morgan 18/1 at time of backing, 1st, Wowzers
Hi Lyns,
Yes, that fantastic report just keeps on giving! 🙂
Matt
It has been fantastic so far, very encouraging and inspiring, very grateful for the sharing
Hey Guys,
I’d like to add my bit of research to this discussion. I’ve been tracking the jockey trainer combo course record 365 days and the horses for courses report from the start of the year, backing blindly using a set criteria. So far the reports have returned over 120 points to win only bets. (I stopped using AW selections in Feb for the jockey trainer report as it seemed to be breaking even)
I have just looked into some of the data this afternoon to see if I could find an angle to improve the strike rate. The horses for courses report has returned a cracking 70 points to BSP betting on Saturdays only, with 9 winners from 24 selections. There has been only 1 losing weekend (-1 point).
Anyone who has a Geegeez subscription and is not using these reports is missing out on winners on a regular basis.
Hi SK,
Thanks a lot for your comment. That’s great to read. Well done on finding some smart winning angles. As you say, there is a lot of good winner potential in the report suite. 🙂
Matt
What sort of criteria have you been using for horses for courses SK?
I believe it is the settings that Matt suggests in the user guide:
Runs 5+
Win% = 20+
Place% = 33+
Win PL = 10+
Cheers.
Just to clarify something I said above…
This has literally been making money, almost, every day for at least the last couple of months.
BUT, I think you need to pay close attention to the movers and drifters. Take a screenshot early and note the prices, then place your bets later in the morning and disregard everything that’s drifted.
For example, yesterday there was 4 on the report, but only one shortened and it was the only winner.
On Sunday there was loads, but only 5 had shortened by lunchtime and 2 of those won at 5/2 and 9/2.
Saturday was pretty much the same and I caught an 18/1 winner and another at 5/1 from 5 bets.
Yesterday, first thing, there was one on the report that was 7/4 early, it drifted to 9/4 and I layed it at 3.5, then it went off at 5/1 and finished out of the park. And, like I said, the only one that shortened yesterday won at 3/1.
So pay close attention to the betting, because it will probably save you a fortune in lost bets 😉
Very interesting Andy. JTC seemed to go rather cold for me after my initial win a month ago.
Perhaps your suggestion above will bring me back into winning ways.
I have not followed JTC lately, how has it been doing?
Anyone still using this. Just started testing the 40 win percentage and 40 place setting
yeah TREV85UK, Ive been following this since the email that brought this to my attention
Ive been using 33% win 50% place, all race types on the 5 year course form.
I do rule out anything below 2/1 (3.0) odds just a personal preference.
so on to the sixth week now and as of yesterday my results show a healthy profit of £292.50 to £10 stakes. The most bets in one day has been 6 on a handful of occasions other than that its generally 2 or 3 bets a day which is manageable for me.
so far so good I’m quite impressed with it. hope it continues, please let us know how you get on with your trial.
How many runs do you have it set to lynseyc02 ?
sorry for the delay Simon, I’ve only just seen this now, I have it set to 10 runs.
RUNS –10-ANY
WINS –ANY-ANY
PLACES — ANY-ANY
WIN % — 33%-ANY
PLACE % — 50%-ANY
WIN PL — 0-ANY
PLACE PL — ANY-ANY
RACE TYPE — ALL
COURSE 5 YEAR FORM
Those are the exact set up i am using at the moment for the foreseeable.
It’s only fair to say that its been quiet the last couple of weeks, using the above parameters I’ve not had a winner in 21 bets, profit stands at £72.50 to £10 stakes. This approaching Sunday will Conclude the 8th week of Trial, Which is not dreadful as far as betting goes but who knows what will happen ?
Anyone else still doing a variation of this ?
How are you getting on ?
Henderson and de Boinville clicked with a 14/1 winner in the last at Aintree. Not sure if you had that, Lynsey?
Matt
Checking back, somehow I’ve managed to miss that one Matt, Not sure how as i can’t recall the day, but i work night shifts so will have to put the blame on being tired in the morning lol, tracing price as well that.
Im still following this but not actually betting on them since a couple of days ago, only because I’m busy working on one or two other things.
still think there’s something in this though.
Hello,
I am on my trial of gold and found this yesterday. Not sure but i think i got this correct but there was another winner last night Poitin in the 8.30 Dundalk. I backed it at 14/1 Sp was 8/1.
I backed that one, too. 🙂
Won easily. Hope you’re enjoying the trial!
Matt
I did have this one ! whoop.
A very good day today for many. Had one email from a subscriber who placed a £2 e/w yankee on Harry Fry’s trio and Marshgate Lane. Picked up in the region of £1,100 🙂
Matt
nice shootin’
Maybe worth looking at the trainers current form as a further filter?
Maybe 20% last 30 days?
I’ve still just been paper recording this, although I had noticed that Fry was worth noting in multiples. It seems best in most cases to take an earlyish price as opposed to betfair SP. I have still been recording for 10, 15, 20 runners for all races over 5 year record and at any P/L setting (to make allowance for early price and better betfair odds), for all prices inc odds on, and at 25%win/50% place, and 33% win/66% place
On that basis, 10 runners 33%/66% and 20/33/66 are in profit, the latter with a better ROI given much fewer runners
I also would be inclined to avoid anything too short, and would still look to the AE/IV as a guide along with any profit over the 5 years
This is done without consulting any other of the gold functions or filters.
I haven’t updated the totals since last week, but I still think the 33%win/66%pl may still be stronger
Thanks a lot for this update, kevil9. Very interesting.
Good few days for the Combos.
Ger Lyons & Colin Keane done the business Sun/Mon
Yesterday I had 6 winners from the 13 highlighted. Mick Channon banging in 3 of them
Very good day for horses for courses; and again, it may be worthwhile tweaking the parameters
On TJ combo, it seems that individual trainers may be the way to go for those who like some doubles