Six Figure Betting? Six Figure Bull***t More Like…

A new year, dear reader, and the first of the new systems off the conveyor belt is Six Figure Betting, from the 26 year old 'pro punter', James Leigh.

I took a look at Six Figure Betting today, and compared the product with the sales pitch.

First up, we're told this has made 249,610 profit since 2007. What we're NOT told is that this is to thousand pound stakes. I mean, come on, that's just ridiculous.

Next up, I can see immediately that the system has been devised using Adrian Massey's excellent system generator site (one of a number of research sources recommended in my Horse Racing Experts package last October). Now I have absolutely no problem with this, especially because it enables me to check the data for myself.

Seeing as all the data are the same for both of us, you'd expect we'd get the same results, right? But the problem is we don't. I have double checked the rules and re-entered them, and my findings are thus:

Most importantly perhaps, the Six Figure Betting system does make a profit, at least at Massey's calculated Betfair odds. His site suggests you'd have won 58,700 to those preposterous grand stakes. To more sensible 100 stakes, this is still a tidy 5,870, more than enough for me to recommend a system generally.

But...

This assumes that you could lay each horse at 12% over SP on Betfair. It's more likely to be an average of around 18% at the price range quoted, which means the profit figure should be multiplied by two-thirds, i.e. 67%.

And still there would be a profit, and it would be circa 3,957 to 100 stakes. And still that's good going: not massive, but 40 points is a nice enough addition to any balanced betting portfolio.

So what exactly is my major beef with this?!

Well, here's the thing. Despite the unquestionable profitability of the system, it's predicated on bull***t. The guy is obviously NOT a professional gambler. Moreover, it's abundantly clear that nobody has been laying these horses (it's a laying system) at a grand a pop.

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And finally, and most aggravating for me, this system is based on National Hunt racing and this 'pro gambler' says the age range starts with two year olds! Anyone who's been betting for even a couple of months knows that NH races only allow three year olds and up, and even then, only in the latter part of their third year.

Conclusion

OK, here's my view on this. The guy behind this has found a nice little system that appears to work, and will quite possibly yield small but steady profits going forwards. Hats off so far.

In fact, I actually quite like the system.

However... the sales blurb is full of the most basic lies, and the system has a clanger (albeit immaterial to the results) in it.

And lastly I'd be surprised if the customer service was anything other than non-existent, though in fairness this is an opinion and I have no fact to substantiate that.

If you are interested in buying this, I cannot put you off based on the product itself. But I have these three pieces of advice:

1. Do NOT fall for the 'upsell'. Once you get to the download page, scroll right to the bottom where there is a 'click here' link in small print. This takes you to another page the same. Do likewise, and you'll pay no more money and finally get hold of the system. (This is another example of sharp practice, in my book).

2. Do NOT buy the system (which sells for 25 quid) straightaway from the sales page. Rather, click away from the page, and you'll be offered a tenner discount. So you can get Six Figure Betting for 40% off.

3. Don't expect any customer service. You might be pleasantly surprised, but don't bank on it. If you need a refund (not that I think you would - you now know exactly what the drill is having read this), deal directly with Clickbank.

No promotional link from me, as I'm uncomfortable with the aspects I've mentioned above. If you want it, pop over to www.SixFigureBetting.co.uk...

That's it from me. I'll be back later in the week with a look at the World Hurdle...

Matt

p.s. On the subject of promotional links, and to avoid any further consternation for some newer Geegeez readers, I've updated my 'About' page with a user-friendly 'policy statement'. You'll find it at the bottom of that page. If you're unsure of how it works here, I'd encourage you to take a look at that here:

Read Geegeez' Product Promotion Policy (such as it is!)

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37 replies
  1. Bob Cottam says:

    Cheers Matt for the advice. With your Poirot Hat on could you investigate the Richard Arlington ” Con Site ” Apparently ” THEY ” went under another name with their 1st CON. Any comments would be `appreciated Matt
    Cheers
    Bob

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Hi Bob

      Thanks for sharing this.

      I’ve never used or trialed a tipster service that was posted through my door, and I don’t recommend anybody does. That is not to say there aren’t any good tipsters advertising that way. Rather, it is that there are a lot of known scams and scammers.

      The problem with mail services, where they often use pseudonyms and untraceable PO Boxes, is that there is no way to get money back.

      At least if you buy something from Clickbank and it’s no good you can claim a refund.

      Matt

  2. Alan says:

    Hi Matt,

    Do you have any information on the length of the run in for NH courses after the final flight. There are various bet refunds when your horse leads at the final fence but gets pipped into 2nd after the last. Maybe useful if there is an uphill finish and a long run in. Thanks

    Alan

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Excellent question Alan, and I couldn’t find a comprehensive answer to it, alas.

      However, with something as rudimentary as the Sporting Life ‘Courses’ section, there are comments about ‘short run-in’ / ‘long run-in’, and the occasional specific distance. Unless the racecourse websites themselves have this info (and I suspect that would be on a case by case basis), it looks like a missing piece in the jigsaw.

      Anybody know of a source that provides this info?

      Matt

  3. John McDonald says:

    Had this e-mail over and over also when you click to exit another offer comes up. I am warey of those e-mails espcially as I have never heard of them I also get a load from other guys offering me systems and tips. I dont want to knock systems and for some they may work but this is horse racing and anything can happen. Its alright to make excuses as to why the selections dont win or praise if they do win but it is a competetive sport. As for telephone tipsters leave them alone even if they give you a free trial, I have had this and perchance they give you tips that win you after some time all of a sudden your free trial ends. I could do that but wont I can pick winners and those that lose but dont try and sell this to anyone.

  4. David Aston says:

    When I received the original e-mails promoting this new money making system, I thought the figures were too good to be true.

    Well done Matt for proving most people’s assumptions right!

  5. Rob Sommerville says:

    Hi Matt, thanks for the swift analysis.
    I will be steering clear of this.

  6. DJR says:

    I’d appreciate any thoughts on a ‘service’ called Jack Kavanagh Racing – have you come across these guys? Their free trial last year yielded really quite exceptional results for a few weeks then suddenly their tipping was so bad it beggared belief. I often wonder if such services are simply laying the horses they give out as win bets? You have the best racing site on the web Matt, I’d appreciate your thoughts and any investigation you could muster. All the best DJR

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Hi DJR, Please see my reply to Bob above. I know it’s not a specific response, but I do believe that a generic wide berth will serve best in these cases.

      Matt

  7. Paul Bennett says:

    False Favourites has a table which includes ‘run in from final fence in Yards’…… copyright protected, of course.

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Thanks Paul – excellent info. The False Favourites ebook is inexpensive, and I’d recommend it as Jon Burgess is a good egg who knows his stuff. I should review it here at some point..!

      Matt

  8. chris says:

    he is involved in betfair millionaire another load of bull.I am sick of these people

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Hi Colin

      Go to adrianmassey.com, then select ‘Favourite Statistics’, then ‘Generate Custom Report’, and you can play to your heart’s content. 🙂

      Matt

  9. Dave Miller says:

    Hi
    Most interested in Bob Cottam’s comment above concernig Richard Arlington Racing I am currently chasing them and considering legal action. I suspect their is a massive faud taking place here but not sure as yet . Any information or assistance on this would be most helpful
    Manyu thanks
    Dave

  10. clive halsey says:

    Hi Matt – I bought this system this morning (it was only £15) and also noted the mention of 2yo. It also struck me a considerable number of losers were between 2/1 -3/1 so I am going to check it out with odds from 7/2. Obviously this will reduce the number of races but I am sure that it will make the system more profitable

    Regards

    Clive

  11. jcmitchell says:

    A pity I did not read your artical before I fell in hook line and sinker with the six figure bull. Keep up the great work and your writings do you proud.

  12. Stefan says:

    Try http://form.horseracing.betfair.com/timeform for course descriptions.

    You can get all descriptions using the following link:

    http://form.horseracing.betfair.com/timeform?_=1262806744028&course_number=50&season_type=j&key=racecourse&response_mode=json

    You need to change the “course_number” and/or “season_type” parameters to get (after some cleaning up) all descriptions.

    I’ve got a list of all numbers&courses but I don’t know if it will paste correctly into this comment box.

    If anyone wants it I can send the list to Matt so he can put it up somewhere on his site (or you can wait for all courses the have a meeting and copy&paste the descriptions from the main page).

    Greetings from Holland,

    Stefan

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Many thanks Stefan for this. If you do find a table with the info in, please forward to me and I’ll post it.

      Matt

  13. Stefan says:

    Also check out the course descriptions on racingpost.com. They also have a Google maps view of the course. There are several sites on the web you can use to measure distances on Google maps.

    Greetings from Holland,

    Stefan

  14. yogidog says:

    jack kavanagh and danny o sullivan both go to odds to after the free trial dont bother.

  15. Paul Bennett says:

    Matt,
    I’m actually quite surprised that you have not already reviewed False Favourites. In my view it’s an excellent publication and well worth 20 odd quid of anybody’s money.
    Although it’s not a tipping service or system as such, it’s chock full of useful information from Mr Burgess who, as you quite rightly say, certainly knows his stuff.
    I recouped what I paid for it in my first bet 🙂

  16. TonyH says:

    Hi Matt,
    Can you give me your opinionon Mohammed Ali “makealiving from place betting favorites?”

    Cheers

    Tony.

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Hi Tony

      Yes, my opinion is that it’s one of the best-selling, worst-delivering products of all time. Seriously rubbish. AVOID!

      Best,
      Matt

  17. RED says:

    Hi Matt

    I purchased this as I do alot of research into dodgy scammers. Ive been a pro backer/layer for some 15 years now. The claims were relayed to this guy who I believe could be with Betfair edge & Hurdles favourites. Give you tons of race dates and ffigures then on the last page come up with lay at £1000!!!! I know of just two guys who lay at these figures. What you need to check is the system offers both six figure flat racing & the PLATINUM NH edition. I will read more and see what crap this churns up

  18. Eamon says:

    Matt,

    Love the mini rant! These guys in Pretoria, SA are getting quite annoying now with the amount of systems they’re constantly trying to push. Beginning to p*ss me off too! I bought the Blueprint system last year and would advise against anyone purchasing this too.

    Eamon

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Hi Eamon

      If they’re really getting to you, there is a link at the bottom of all their emails which allows you to unsubscribe from their mailing lists. I have signed up to most of them, so that I know what is coming and can take a look for Geegeez readers (and myself of course!)

      Best,
      Matt

  19. LF says:

    These scammers with their “systems” are really starting to grate on a lot of people’s nerves, mine included. There is a difference between marketing and scamming and this crosses the line.

    There is no 26 year old pro gambler making a living from this “secret”.

    There are no unsolicited testimonials on file. It’s easy to manufacture some from other past scam sites though.

    There is no way anyone can start with 2 quid stakes and quickly grow this system into a second or primary income.

    It is a simple backfitted system. Why did they show results from 2007 if Massey goes back to 2004? On top of that the system edge is so small that Betfair commission wipes out the vast majority of the shown gross profits. in the profitable years.

    Someone should have shut down these clods years ago. Although I don’t believe in deities I wish there were an especially hot part of hell set aside for fraudsters like this.

  20. Jack Crompton says:

    Steve at CDsystems has an excellent NH Track Matrix. It doesn’t include lengths of run-ins, but it is invaluable for checking a horse’s possible suitability to a track it has never run on before.
    Does anybody know of any two-year-old professional gamblers offering a system for laying 26-year-old horses? (Now that could be really profitable – though I suspect the sample size would be rather small.)
    Keep smiling!
    Jack

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Thanks for the info Jack, and I like the idea of toddler tipsters for geriatric geegees!

      Matt

  21. Rupert Nicholson says:

    I had dealings with Jack Kavanagh too. The free trial, when I took it produced loser after loser, unlike his sales pitch ( the ususal story !).
    I then had a letter saying he was very concerned about the recent poor results and that he was going to be having discussions with connections to discover what on earth had gone wrong. Subscribers would be given a free months subscription to make up for this he said.
    I never heard any more about that then received a letter saying I could have a year’s free trial. Great I thought! Then when I called to get myself involved, I was told it was an odds service, I must put £20 or £50 or something like on the horse for him – sorry, no way. Best ignore anything from that organisation if you ask me.

  22. ron.goodall says:

    to matt
    regarding the six figure system thanks for tip off its not my cup of tea its to good to be true regards ron

  23. Anth says:

    Hi Matt,
    have you heard off lay bet genius which is doing the rounds
    would appreciate your feed back

    • Matt Bisogno says:

      Hi Anth

      Yes, Lay Bet Genius is from Mike Chantry at Hilite Direct Mail Services. Mike is a senior player in the list broking business, and has recently moved into selling products and services.

      The results look very good, though I have nothing to verify them. The service seems quite pricey, but there is a seven day trial. I don’t really believe that’s long enough to get a view on such a service, but at least it gives you a window on what you can expect.

      Let us know how you fare if you do sign up.
      Matt

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